Recommendation for solid fully automatic coffee machines

Dear community,

I am looking for a fully automatic machine. It's supposed to be a gift. Unfortunately I am an advocate of screen carrier machines, so I know my way around VA zero.

Do you have any recommendations for me? Here are the criteria:

- as easy as possible to clean
- as durable as possible/what solid
- if necessary with milk foamer - whereby I think that a foamer with a low viscosity can be cleaned faster.
- integrated mill goes without saying...
- PRICE 400 to 600 Euro

>... something else important, which I forgot, what such a part should have?

deLonghi and Melittta do not agree with me at all.

My Jura D6 platinum caught my eye. What do you think of Jura, to what extent is the lack of the possibility to remove the brew group a disadvantage?


Otherwise... what about Siemens and Philipps in this price range?

Thank you![B]

Hello,

it's probably too late to give you a recommendation, but I'll try it.

In your price segment you can buy a fully automatic coffee machine KRUPS EA8108. It's a good birthday present, I think. All you have to do is wait 30 seconds for a serving. The machine can also prepare two portions in one step.

Also, note this model. It's available on Amazon. You can also inform yourself about this model on https://www.bestadvisor.de/kaffeevollautomaten briefly.

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For God's sake, no Krups. Jura is not really solid either, they are plastic machines.

MfG Paul

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