New fully automatic machine with milk frother

Hello, everybody,

About 8 years ago I bought a Delonghi Ecam 23.420 for about 480 Euro, and so far this machine still works quite well with about 15000 cups.

Now it is so that more and more of my family/friends like to drink a latte and I am therefore now looking for a successor where I can get a latte or cappuccino at the push of a button.

I had chosen the following 2 machines:

DeLonghi Dinamica ECAM 353.75

Saeco SM 5460/10 PicoBaristo

Would the machines be recommendable, or are there good alternatives?

In terms of price I thought about 500 Euro, 50 more, gladly also less, of course it can be.

LG

Skjaldar

Incoming:

Philipps Lattego 3200Siemens EQ 500 Integral.
I've been out of the loop since I bought my DeLonghi, back in the day. Maybe someone can tell me something about the machines here,
give
me a hint
;
)LG

As a fan of Melitta machines I throw the Caffeo Passione OT into the race.

Thanks for your input. I put some vending machines into the Idealo app, great app if you want to look at the price history over a longer period of time.

I know Melitta actually only as a powdered coffee that does not taste good, so I had never dealt with their VA, just googled a bit, do not seem to be better or worse than the others.

I have the more I google and look the impression that in the segment around 500 euros no machine is really better or worse than the other.

The brewing groups in the 500 Euro machines are usually the same as those in the 1500 Euro machines, the "milk unit" is also not very different, or the cleaning.

LG

Getting something decent for 500€ is going to be difficult...

I would also recommend a Melitta... the Caffeo Ci could be quite cheap to get and is reliable and has a good equipment...

Why is it difficult to get anything sensible there?

It would be nice if someone could give me a brief summary of what I'm talking about.

I myself only drink coffee and sometimes an espresso, my DeLonghi Ecam 23.420 is quite well adjusted and gives me personally a suitable result. I guess every device around 500 Euro will give similar qualitative results, even if it is full of one or the other different nuances of taste?

I don't need an app or anything like that, I just need a solid device where I can make a latte or cappuccino at the touch of a button. The milk foam does not have to be "perfect", I don't expect that in the price category.

Since I hadn't dealt with any other fully automatic machines since I bought the DeLonghi, I wanted to ask which machines are recommended, or if there are any where to keep your hands off.

I will take a closer look at the Caffeo CI.

It may be 550 Euros, or just above that, but that would be the "pain threshold" for me, but it is also possible to spend more.

Drinking patterns: Approx. 5 pots of coffee per day at least, that is 10 covers. Out of 100 covers, an average of about 5% would be a latte or cappuccino. Of course it is because it is too "complicated" for my wife to foam the milk with the lance, otherwise she would drink a latte much more often! and on birthdays for example, it is possible that I may prepare such a drink 10 times in a row, which is a bit "annoying". Therefore, for such cases, gladly put a system to the glass underneath, press, just wait. In
summary, I
am currently
observing
the following devices
:Melitta Caffeo CI
617 EuroPhilipps

Lattego 3246/70

529 EuroDelonghi

Ecam 353.75

514 EuroSiemens

EQ.500 integral 555

EuroSaeco

Pico Baristo SM 5460/10 530 Euro

And I say again: No CI, useless knick-knacks and ridiculous service. Passione! clearer operation via buttons and less unnecessary.

I am also of the opinion that a more expensive KVA does not really offer better coffee quality than a properly functioning €500 vending machine. Optically of course often more, possibly faster with several heating circuits, possibly better processing and durability.
Okay, a much better grinder could noticeably improve the quality, but it also costs considerably more - yet still no espresso comes out of the
machine.

Stable milk foam can also be used in or all devices - but even that has nothing to do with real steam lance foam, no matter how expensive...

The Passione has as OT version also the possibility to make a latte or a cappu by "one touch"?

Sometimes I don't know what's going on anymore, predecessor models, successors, identical models, identical inner life etc. With an app, without an app, you get slain these days;)

So, again a short question, among other things I watch the Philipps 3241/50 LatteGo, 514 Euro.

Now the dealer with the ring around the planet offers the 2231/40 for 429 Euro.

As far as I can see, the 3200 has more settings of preset cafes, i.e. cappu, latte, americano etc... but no other great features like the 2200?


As I said, I am simply satisfied with my coffee, and for guests "times" a latte, I do not need any preset functions, because my wife simply drinks the coffee a little milder, I like to drink it stronger. She throws herself about 100 ml of milk anyway.

What I like is the automatic dispensing of 2 cups. With my current DeLonghi I have to manually draw coffee twice to get a pot, the Philips 2231/40 does this automatically. (For many here probably pure standard, for me not yet;)

I'm very much inclined towards this device at the moment, unless you bring me arguments that are absolutely against it ;)

LG

Hello again, everyone,

Finally, thanks again for your participation. Even if it may seem that I have ignored your advice, you have broadened my horizon here and brought me a little more light into the dark.

I am now finally surprised by myself, and have landed at the Philipps 2235/40.

With discount codes etc. directly from Philips for 350 euros.

The "little brother" of the 3200 series.

My reasons:

Has everything my DeLonghi has and additionally the "One Touch" function.
In addition, the machine can make coffee twice in a row, automatically. With
my DeLonghi I had to do this manually to get a "pot" of coffee. (And worst of all are friends and acquaintances who press 250 ml of water through 7 grams of ground beans). I assume that the Philips coffee is of the same quality as my DeLonghi, but with a different taste, which is completely sufficient for ME.
Americanos and other specialties
I don't really "need", maybe I would have thought differently if I had tried them, but I'm just happy with a delicious coffee with a little shot of milk. In other words, the machine is a small upgrade from the functionality to my Ecam 23.420, I hope it is as durable as the DeLonghi. I don't really need
personalized preparations
, because I set up the machine the way I want it to be, and my wife usually just varies the strength, leaving the rest as it is.
I can report again after a few weeks, if desired.

Apart from the fact that I especially like "Americano" in my VA from some types of coffee (and that might also apply to your 7g/250ml friends) - you can't have done anything wrong with that. And if you find a coffee e.g. light Arabica with a distinct acidity and other strong aromas: just try an "Americano" with a hot water cover ;-)

The 2200 can NOT do the Americano automatically, but hot water manually, and a double espresso, which I can manage, is absolutely not common in my friends and acquaintances/family.

Maybe in 5 years I will make a thread on "Search VA with automatic Americano reference" ;)

My main concern was to get a tasty coffee and additionally a latte with OneTouch.

Unfortunately, the 2200 Philips has been parked since 2:15 a.m. at night about 10 km away from me as the crow flies in a UPS warehouse *Uff, aren't they driving on Saturday? I would even pick them up myself!)

Just a little interim conclusion:

Basic: Replaces my Delonghi so far satisfactorily.

The coffee tastes milder, slightly softer, less earthy/strong, even with fine grinder settings and maximum bean quantity.

The LatteGo system is great. It is a bit loud, but not so that it is disturbing, especially since it takes about 45 to 60 seconds of milk to make a latte. In my ears justifiable, since it is not a "permanent state". After the milk has been drawn, the system/container can simply be removed and placed in the refrigerator or cleaned, for example.

The forward and backward movement of the brewing unit or sieve and the rest of the mechanism is pleasantly quiet.

It was irritating for me that there was always water in the collecting tray, I couldn't edge it from my DeLonghi. Explanation: After each purchase, the machine rinses once, automatically (I don't know what exactly, but I don't know - Apparently a brew group, and once "over";) )

On the standard setting the coffee is too hot for me, I put it down earlier, test it tomorrow.

It is also very convenient to draw 2 cups of coffee in succession. Happens automatically. Grind, cover, grind, cover.

Negative:

The coffee runs through me too fast, I did not measure, but for an estimated 100 to 120 ml it should be just over 10 seconds. Lt: Philips adjusts the machine automatically, so at the beginning the coffee should be watery and the pods in the pomace container watery.

I wonder how that will change.

Automatic switch-off after approx. 30 minutes. Unfortunately, it is prescribed by the EU! I am someone who drinks a coffee every 1.5 to 2 hours throughout the day.

LG