Jura Z8 or Saeco 7786/00

Hi guys,

Texting omitted seems to be one of my vices (sorry), so below is the concise question again....

Some here would probably call me a coffee philistine, but I'm going to try my luck anyway....

To date, we are very satisfied with the quality of our Jura Impressa C50. However, since our coffee consumption has now been reduced to one/two cups a day (p.p.) and we also tend to prepare milk-based coffee products (latte macchiato, cappuccino, etc.), it seems to us that the effort is relatively high...

- Switch on machine - heat/wait...
- Fill glass/container with milk-
Switch to milk nozzle - heat/wait
...

- Place coffee glass under milk nozzle-
"Open" milk foam nozzle and wait on site until coffee glass is filled (otherwise it will overflow)-
"Close"
milk foam nozzle
and remove coffee glass/place under coffee outlet- Pull off milk hose
, rinse out, plug in-
Rinse



glass/container well,



fill with water- (if



it




takes too long to
do this,
the machine switches back to "coffee" and you have to switch back to the milk nozzle, possibly




with heating process/waiting time)- "Open" milk nozzle,



fill



with water- (if it




takes too long to
do this,
the machine switches back to "coffee" and you have to switch back to the milk nozzle, possibly




with heating process/waiting time)




(if it takes a long time, the machine switches back to "coffee" and you have to switch to the milk nozzle again, possibly with a heating





process/waiting





time)- "
open" the milk nozzle, let the water run through, "close" the milk nozzle- switch to
coffee-


fill


the coffee

glass

with coffee- done (


FINALLY!)
Maybe I'm too

stupid to make a latte macchiato or not enough of a connoisseur to be able to celebrate the production process, but in the meantime we only let the coffee out and then pour in the milk, because the effort with the milk nozzle is just too much





for us.





The

idea of buying a new one came from my wife, who heard about the self-cleaning milk system (called HygieStream) of the Saeco 7786/00

.

Apart from the fact that it is a KVA, which makes the whole process much easier anyway (no separate heating of the milk nozzle, no need to be present during preparation, etc.), this self-cleaning system seems to optimise the effort for daily cleaning even more.

I just wonder if, compared to other MWIs, it might not really just seem that way?

The Saeco 7786/00 is currently compared to the Jura Z8. Even if price-wise hardly comparable, it concerns me here nevertheless rather the practical aspect and/or around as small an expenditure as possible.

The Saeco cleans the nozzle and the milk hose with hot steam and water.
The Jura only rinses the milk nozzle with water, but not the hose.
However, according to my reasoning, the Saeco still leaves milk on the outside of the hose, which is why I would take it off and rinse it anyway....

So the question now arises for me, to what extent the Saeco really offers an advantage?

On the other hand, the brewing unit of the Saeco has to be cleaned and greased regularly. Doesn't sound so easy now either...

Well, those who have read the whole text up to here already know what it boils down to:

Concisely:

Is it


normally sufficient to rinse the nozzle of the Jura through the machine and the milk hose under the tap? Or is there an intermediate piece that remains uncleaned?

Do you consider the cleaning effort of a Saeco 7786/00 through the self-cleaning milk system (HygieStream) as altogether less complex compared to a Jura Z8?

I would be very grateful for any advice/recommendation!!!Best regardsMichael