Cartridge vs. decalcifying - important information at a glance

If I read everything here, I could also imagine that if I lived in a limestone area, I would take water free of carbon dioxide from the discounters and fill my waste incinerator with it.
Or am I on the wooden road?
To avoid all the frills.
Mfg Chris

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Carbonic acid free water from the discounters

When the coffee tastes better then that surely makes sense...

I have set hard water, hardness grade 3 and decalcify when the machine displays it. No problems so far and the coffee tastes great! After all, there is not only lime in the water, but also minerals. This also influences the taste!

At the beginning of the KVA era, I always brought super-soft water without everything in it in 25 litre canisters from the district town. I mean, the coffee tastes better on the same beans with my hard house water. That's why I decalcify when the machine wants it and that's it.

And the filtered water still requires decalcification, even if some manufacturers haven't understood that yet, I'm sure everyone has already noticed ;-)

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At the beginning of the KVA era I always brought super soft water without everything in it in 25 liter canisters from the county town. I mean the coffee tastes better on the same beans with my hard house water.

That's logical since the lime is a flavor carrier, just like fat

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QUOTE (kaffeechris @ Tuesday, August 19, 2014, 17:40 pm)

If I read everything here, I could also imagine that if I lived in a limestone-rich area, I would get carbon dioxide free water from the discounters, take it with me and fill my KVA with it. Or am I on my way to the woods? Overcoming all the frills. Mfg Chris

Carbon dioxide has nothing to do with the lime content.

@ ram: Can you fill the tank with sparkling water and see what happens

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oh so it's carbonated free water (silent source), besides we should have very bad water because we have very few flavour carriers in here WH.1, and the water bottlers in Löningen who are also here to water down are only so successful on the market so?????
Minerals are also in the normal water, and if there is less lime in it does not mean that they have been removed with it.

MfG Chris

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Forget the expensive water filters and set the operation to normal. Buy yourself a Brita water filter once. Holds 3 times longer is permanently cheaper and filters the water before filling. And it can also be used for other purposes. Protects the plastic water tank of the machine from deposits. Every 6 months additionally rinse and degrease with a normal descaler suitable for fully automatic coffee makers. Brewing unit every Sunday 5 minutes soak in warm water without detergent and rinse thoroughly. My first machine, then a DeLonghi, the cheapest model, made coffee every day for 7 years and only then did it stop heating properly. So the approach couldn't have been that wrong. And the water tank looked like new after 7 years without deposits of lime. The practical thing about this is that I can use the filtered water with the water jug directly to refill and do not have to constantly remove the water tank. But you also have to clean the tank regularly. It's good for vinegar essence because of the bacteria. During the warranty period, however, I would adhere to the manufacturer's specifications. But hey, everybody wants it. The manufacturers also boil only with water and only aim to remove accessories. The ingredients of the decalcifiers are all the same (for the most part).

I have a Jura S9 Avantgarde since September 2006 and operate it with the double filter method (Britta+Jura Claris) without any decalcification. No problems. Friends and acquaintances have repeatedly praised my good coffee, espresso, cappuccino and latte macchiato.

References:
1 Coffee: 675
2 Coffee: 6261
Powder: 109
2 Espressi: 1844
1 Espresso: 176
Water: 1856
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With soft water (hardness grade 1 or 2) I consider a water filter generally superfluous, with me here always descaling with citric acid (1:1 mixed with water) was completely sufficient, so correctly the devices were never calcified.

However, I have also seen devices from other regions which were very calcified, there is a regular descaling with Durgol or similar or the upstream connection of a water filter absolutely necessary.

Live and let live.
Whether someone wants a lot of lime in his water or not, I'll let you decide for yourself, lime should be a taste carrier.
The other uses a simple, double or even triple lime filter, the next one buys a glass carafe or a silver or gold spiral to get so much energetic power in the water and drink a strong healthy coffee.

MfG Chris

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Hello,

I have had the Jura ENA Micro 9 for a few days now. The seller also told me that the water filter is not necessary for our area, as the water is very "soft".

sound waterworks has a hardness of 7.4 (other pages write 7.6), so it can be classified as "soft". Therefore I set the machine to 8 degrees.

"Unfortunately" I tried the test strip provided for interest. In this case 2 of the 4 points turn red. According to the instructions on the test strip cover, the area is larger than 10. Or do I interpret something wrong?

I had a DeLonghi for 3.5 years. There I set the hardness to 2 of 4, since the 2nd point of the test strip at that time was only slightly discolored.

What to do so? Waterworks and various websites or organize a new test strip?

Thank you for tips and advice.

The waterworks are the more trustworthy source. They measure regularly all values after.

With the rods you have only 5 gradations! These are the results really only a gaaery rough reference point. If you want to measure it more accurately yourself, you have to get a drip test for the total hardness (aquarium requirements). You get very close, but as I said, the waterworks are the right contact, and the fluctuations after the decimal point are normal. Depends on where the water comes from and whether it is artificially hardened with lime to improve the PH value...

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Hello , coffee-drinking forists .

I read all posts in this branch carefully . Many correct observations are there, but some have drawn wrong conclusions from it .

There is the matter with the "filters" , which absolutely once needs the clarification . These are not filters in the conventional sense, but they are ion exchangers ! filters separate only solid from liquid ! ion exchangers but replace the calcium in the water with sodium. For this they have a filling which is loaded with sodium ions by the supplier. These sodium ions are released during water flow by the exchanger filling when calcium ions are more firmly bound to the granulate in their place. However, this has a capacity limit, then the exchanger is saturated with calcium and becomes ineffective. In addition, the change of calcium ions for sodium ions does not take place at lightning speed, but with a noticeable time delay .

Thus follows: after a certain standing time, the exchanger cartridge contains only a single pore volume of very soft water, i.e. only a few thimbles full in total. If the machine continues to draw water immediately, the decalcified water will leave the exchanger cartridge to an increasing extent.

When viewed over a large cup and vigorously stirred, 16°dH may be reduced to 8°dH, but it will certainly be less favourable for cups immediately following. This explains probably also lime deposits, which occur despite use of the exchanger cartridges ( erroneously : "filter" ). The suppliers of exchanger cartridges will not like to hear such things at all. After all, they are still so honest and admit that - depending on the water hardness - the exchange capacity of the cartridge is eventually completely gone .

Remedy ? Who reads a few contributions back, finds the reference to the "Brita-Kanne". (There are other brands, too.) It certainly provides more than just a few thimbles of decalcified water ! The steam iron likes this water too.