Mould infestation Jura J5

Hello again,

Was meanwhile in the vacation, therefore late answer.

Yes, the machine is again bought, is approx. 3 years old and it daily 3-4 coffees are made. We empty the pomace container daily (nothing has ever overflowed), clean everything accessible, leave the drawer open, remove the water container and also leave the powder inlet open for better venting. I have written this several times.

Maybe something is broken, but I don't care anymore. The next machine won't be a law school for sure. An unremovable brew group is no longer coming into my house.

Can absolutely understand you. I have also had extremely bad experiences with non-detachable brewing groups and mould. I had some machines with Eugster technology and every time I changed the O-rings I found mold clots. More or less.
I can only smile tiredly about a so-called hygiene certificate.

I would only recommend machines with a removable brewing group.

BTW, even if something would actually be defective (e.g. a small leak), this does not change the fact that the normal user without ambitions to disassemble the machine regularly, has no chance to recognize this and whether the machine is attacked inside by mold.

http://www.symptome.ch/vbboard/gifte/66976...lautomaten.html

: fiutare


hall,

which special tool you need
and where can you get it?

greuss lia

Igit!
My questions:
- Have a new ENA9. Should there be a similar brewing group?
- Where exactly do mould crumbs fall down at the back? Behind the drip pan?
- What about Krups and AEG where the brewing group cannot be removed?
- The subject of mould only appears in Jura?
- Where can you buy such a tool? Photo of it? Warranty in the bucket?

Tach also,
happened to this post by chance. So I'm a totally committed law fan. In my opinion the Jura is the best machine you can buy for money. I've been fixing Juras myself for over 15 years. The be-all and end-all for the machine and health is regular maintenance by someone who knows something about it. The negative examples are clearly the hygienic conditions in the machine, whereby the brewing unit, as in the video, is only ONE small area that quickly gets moldy. The statement in the video is also factually wrong, because you press mould into the coffee at every cup. The brewing group moulds on the outside around the brewing group in all Juras, but not in the brewing group and in the coffee pipes. This hygiene guarantee applies to these areas. Now one can of course exaggerate as already said and speak of the spores that spread. In my opinion, correct but exaggerated. It is enough to have a thorough maintenance done once a year. If you don't let anything be done naturally, sooner or later every Jurassic will rot in a huge way. This already starts in the tank if it is not cleaned regularly. The water pipes from the tank to the flowmeter, from the pump to the heating element (thermoblock) are completely covered with black mould, which by the way concerns EVERY fully automatic machine. However, this mould is completely killed by heating up. Then it goes on, in the coffee outlet forms, if not waited a disgusting brown indefinable Pampe which is surely also not healthy. It is noticeable when the outlet from the nozzles begins to clog or runs out unevenly. In the machine itself, depending on the room humidity, mould will also settle everywhere if the bowl is not always emptied and left open overnight. Well I could tell you more but photos speak more than 1000 words. upload some of my Hall of Fame pictures. My best of come from a three-year-old ENA. There I even found red mould unknown to me until now.

Figure 2 BG disassembled

Figure 3 BG post-impression

Fig. 4 Upper ram. There the coffeeprütt has already pressed itself bomb-proof all around.

Condition under the Brühsiep, there the "Crema" is produced. Here the system cleaning was probably carried out without cleaning tabs.

View from the front with the drawer pulled out into the ENA... I already suspected something was coming.

Machine open

Closer to it...this has already knocked me over, from this moment on I put on gloves

Further dismantled....

sideways