Jura vs. Nivona

Hello everyone!

Cannot register soon and already the first question!

>I would like to buy a KVA.

After first consultations I flirt with the following devices!

JURA - IMPRESSA J9 One Touch TFT

or rather

NIVONA - CAFEROMATICA 850

Gives it here a clear for and again?

Great importance is attached to a simple preparation of cappuccino or latte. Maybe there are other favorites too.

Thank you in advance!

Greß Markus

From my experience I would never buy a machine again where the brewing group is not removable. The dirt that accumulates over time cannot be healthy and tasteful. All hygiene certificates and cleaning tablets do not help. The part must then be sent to the cleaning service every year, unless you are prepared to completely disassemble the device yourself. Unfortunately, as far as I know, this includes all Jura machines. Otherwise, there is nothing against the quality of the Juras, even if there is still enough room for improvement.


>In your place, after the one-touch function, I would put my second main focus on lasting reliability and easy maintenance. Because as long as the devices are still quite new, everything usually works quite well. But woe is the warranty expired ...

There is no perfect, error-free fully automatic machine. Every model has its problems. Some more, others less.

Hello, I can't say anything about Jura, but the Nivona we have been in the kitchen since the beginning of November and are completely satisfied.
The machine is nice and quiet, the coffee tastes great and is also very hot, the milk mix drinks are a dream and the cleaning is easy.
It took about 50 covers until we found the right settings for us and the best coffee. You just have to experiment a bit.
I can only recommend them.

hell!!

The more you ask the bigger the choice!

Siemens eq7
Krups ca9000

I don!

Bin steams no coffee, but the head!

Bin thankful for all the info!PRO and CONTRA

First of all thanks!
Greß Markus

I don't know what your budget is, but take a closer look at the WMF 800.
Just have fun and let them show you the brewing groups in a shop they both have there. With the Krups it's not possible, because it's built in (for me a NoGo anyway), but compare the brewing group of the Siemens EQ7 or some DeLonghi with the one from the WMF 800. You'll be surprised.

Ok! -->Another candidate. WMF 800

Thanks for the info. I'm not sure the MM has that in their program. Unfortunately, I live in the country. Here remain only 2 - 3 contact points! Has with my decision joy naturally also advantages. :-))

>At the moment the trend is towards Siemens Black Steel.

removable brewing group is the argument.

Jura stays in the back of the mind - because of the good reputation!

Krups has most GIMMICKS, but no removable BG.

>Further on still grateful for info!

greeting Markus

Hello Pai Mei!
Thanks for the suggestions. I would have liked more people with such active feedback.
I looked at the BG of WMF. The solid construction is a real argument. And not only the BG.

I finally decided for the Siemens Q7 black steel. This too is not free of mistakes. However, the latest generation has again consistently worked on eliminating them. Perhaps it is also an advantage that Siemens is a current model and the WMF is actually a discontinued model.

Relatively many negative contributions regarding the brewing temperature as well as bitter coffee taste in various forums and arguments such as high energy costs, long start times " in various test reports have not let me take the WMF.
At Siemens my requirements and wishes were best united in the summary. Removable BG, easy operation etc. and among other things also the design. Even so small things that I can completely dismantle the coffee powder compartment for cleaning were among them.
In addition, I also have to attest the consultant in MM a good and device-independent advice. That's why I also hit them there for 1299.
I'm afraid it's frightening, even in the price group around 1500 € I didn't find any KVA that doesn't have one or the other shortcoming.
Satisfying me is also very difficult.
I'll make a statement about Siemens here from time to time. Maybe I'll save one or the other a lot of racing.

Gruß Markus

Hello Markus,

my opinion was that a wrong decision. I'm sorry if I write it so directly.

Despite congratulations on Siemens, which admittedly looks really nice.

Although you won't be very interested anymore.
The WMF 800 is replaced by the 900, but it doesn't matter, because the technology that matters remains unchanged. Currently, both WMF 800 and 900 are being sold simultaneously.
I myself own the 900, but would not have had a problem with the 800. The negative points that you have from various forums and the test at Stiftung Warentest (the test is not worth the paper on which it is written) are absolutely irrelevant in daily use. The coffee, cappu etc. can be adjusted to your own taste. All possibilities are available (cup size, coffee quantity, water quantity, milk quantity, brewing temperature, etc.). The longer heating time is due to the internal boilers, where other machines only have a simple thermoblock. I've already explained about Schaerer's solid brew group. Then there's the better disc mill. In addition, the WMF is a real one-touch machine.

All in all, the WMF is the much more solid, durable machine, with which you have a good chance of being satisfied even after years, while others have normally long since been phased out.

This may all sound a bit like WMF fanboy now. But I can assure you that I write all this out of conviction and that I don't really care about the brand. I'm also not an employee of WMF

@ Pai Mei This you can really underwrite DICK

I even had both models and what they compare is the EQ7 in the VGL to the WMF toy.

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Kaffeevollautomaten:
Delonghi ESAM 3000B (2 Moante sehr zufreiden)
Saeco Talea Ring Plus (3 Monate UNzufreiden)
Jura ENA5 (1 Jahr super zufrieden)
Siemens EQ7 (8 Monate Anfangs toll dannach genervt 2 x zur Reparatur einmal neue BG ueber Support angefordert)
WMF 800 seit 1.12.09 Klasse
Siebträger
Bezzera BZ07 DE mit Bezzera BB005 Timer (Mühle) seit Mai 2011
Nespresso Krups XN 2720 für die Arbeit

Hello ristretto,

I know the Bosch Verobar 300 quite well and it is as if identical to the Siemens mentioned above.
I agree with you. From a technical point of view, the Bosch/Siemens-VA simply cannot be compared with the WMF. With only approx. 200 EUR surcharge I would have taken the WMF.

Hello pai mei, hello ristretto!

No problem that you prefer the WMF!

I wasn't really sure about my decision either. But at some point you have to get into the pots.
The solid workmanship of the WMF is indisputable.
I still have the option to change my mind, because the MM didn't have the EQ7 in stock and I only reserved and paid for one.
But I don't really believe in it.
It wasn't the optics that made me take the Siemens, at most it was a nice side effect. I don't really need an illuminated coffee compartment either.
Toys I wouldn't call the Siemens either. There are some brew groups on the market that look much more modest in this price range and what speaks against a ceramic grinder.
Since I (we) are not exactly mega heavy drinkers, I also hope with the Siemens some years of reliable operation.
Self here in the forum Siemens is at the top.
It's no more than normal that everyone sets his priorities differently.
For the difference, I buy a warranty extension to 5 years and a few hundred cups of coffee.

We would like to thank you again for the active feedback. Our contribution has nothing to do with the name Jura vs. Nivona for a long time. Last but not least, this page has dissuaded me from a permanently installed BG. So Jura and Krups were already out.
I will definitely give my feedback on Siemens. No matter if POSITIVE or NEGATIVE.

Thank you again
Gruß Markus

P.S. I rate the test report of Stiftung Warentest just like you! Too bad that the name Stiftung Warentest has lost so much credibility.

Hello sukram !

If you can afford it, I would still think about it again in your place.

Other, if it gets too expensive for you, why not buy a Bosch Verobar 100 for about 800 EUR? From a technical point of view, this is comparable to Siemens, but almost EUR 500 cheaper. That would make more sense from my point of view. But it doesn't have an illuminated coffee bean container. Just kidding.

What advantages, apart from the lower price, do you see with Siemens compared to WMF ? Apart from the longer heating time.
I'd really like to know more about that.

The WMF brewing group is also used in gastro machines.

Good morning together!

I am new here in the forum and looking for a new KVA as our good, old Saeco is slowly weakening >

I once looked in here because I was interested in a Jura C9 One Touch or a Nivona 850.

What are the advantages and disadvantages of the machines?
What are your experiences?
What would you recommend?

Thanks in advance for your replies!


Hear regards
Gerd