Incanto De Luxe S-Class, no water flow

Hello first of all, I am new here and want to thank you for the time being. I have had a Saeco Incanto de luxe s-class for years and have always been very satisfied with it. But she hasn't made coffee in a few days. The coffee is ground and the machine does everything as usual, starts the brewing process but there is no water and the coffee grounds are emptied dry into the container. No water comes through the hot water valve either. But if you take the machine off the power for hours and then try again, it works and you can get hot water, sometimes it even makes a coffee, but only one. After that, nothing works again. Perhaps it is also important to mention that the machine started after descaling. It was so that it did not want to vent after the decalcification process. It was on the display for quite some time "venting" but it didn't happen.

I checked the forums a little bit and disassembled the machine once and cleaned the flowmeter and its inflow and outflow hoses. The display Bleed disappeared and I tried to get hot water. It then took a few minutes for the pump to pump water but finally it worked and he made two or three coffees. Then it was over. And now, as I said, the water only comes when you take the machine off the power for a longer time. As soon as you make a coffee, there is no more water, neither at the coffee spout nor at the hot water valve.

The machine is old and I bought myself a coffee machine, also a Saeco incanto, but it doesn't make coffee like the old machine. And I'd like to try and fix the machine, if it's repairable. Maybe you have some tips for me. I asked a friend who knows a little about coffee machines, and he took a look at the machine and said that it was most probably due to the pump that it was too weak. The pump is not very expensive now, so I would get it and change it myself.

What do you experts think? Thank you in advance.

pump can be simply removed and the pump ball measured, set = 4mm, is the ball under 3.8mm = new pump installed.in any case should decalcify again with amidosulfonic acid and after the decalcification also the cleaning program with the broth carry out, is gladly forgotten

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Daher bitte lieber einmal zu viel als einmal zu wenig fragen.

Vor allen manuellen Arbeiten am Gerät den Netzstecker ziehen !

thank you kaffeeplanet. the pump I get tomorrow already. I have the pump removed. the small ball had only 3mm diameter. well now I know at least what it is. thank you again and after I have the pump installed, I drink a coffee on you.
lg lani

does the machine work again?

Gruß, hausen

of course the machine runs again, because it was obviously the pump, unfortunately it is so that from the help-seeking rarely a feedback gives. but woe one answers not within 5 sec

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Alle Tips und Hinweise erfolgen nach bestem Wissen - die Verantwortung trägt jedoch der Ausführende.
Daher bitte lieber einmal zu viel als einmal zu wenig fragen.

Vor allen manuellen Arbeiten am Gerät den Netzstecker ziehen !

hello, i also have the problem that the incanto sometimes makes a coffee and then only doughs out again and the coffee flour dry throws out. after the deaeration i draw a powdered coffee without powder and there again the water comes through perfectly. breher sieve is cleaned and pump new. flowmeter is also clean. do not know any more. greetings hille

which Incanto? new model or old? What's the ejection like? Is it disintegrating? is he coarse or gossipy when he makes coffee?

dry and grind ok. how can i tell if old or new? is about 10 years old but still very well maintained

ok is an older one, I still don't know the model yet....... dry and ok? what is ok for you ok? if you knew what is ok for a brew ejection, you probably wouldn't ask questions here, the older models often have problems with the grinding quantities !! and if I don't know the exact model, I can't help you!

you really can't help me with the answers you give. and i ask questions here because i want to search more specifically and narrow down the error. whether a grind is ok or not i already know exactly because i calibrate and adjust mills almost daily in my job. but at standautomaten, with the saeco i haven't dealt with it yet. i don't think that a saeco would notice if it has too much or too little coffee flour otherwise there would be an option in the programming to initialize the brewer. when he drove together he always has the same position, whether with or without powder. i already checked that by marking it.

There are Incantos with steel cone grinders and with ceramic grinders.
With steel cone grinders, grinding takes place until a flap actuates a switch and then throws the powder into the brewing unit via a knock feeder.
In the ceramic grinder you grind directly into the brewing unit as in Jura and Delonghi e.g.
In the ceramic grinder the problem is that the power consumption is measured over the circuit board and if it is too low the brewing unit also throws the powder dry in, because then it is assumed that the beans are all.
What irritates me is that you can deaerate over the one powder cover. Normally, this goes through the hot water nozzle. For machines with display there is then tap open or so in the display.
Therefore it would be useful to know what kind of Incanto it is.

You have to realize that you can't always help with lay requests, and that's you, unfortunately it's the same here as in all forums,.... mei auto starts ned... which one you got? A red....
my last post here.... is too stupid for me....
me,and most of my colleagues I know,are fed up with the hobbyists anyway...... adios !!!

you can certainly do without you here.
alsoes is an incanto deluxe s-class. dosing chamber does not have it, so probably the mentioned ceramic grinder. bleed as you write about the hot water cover. if I pour a powder coffee pressures without powder into the flap water comes. if I then pull a bean coffee comes mostly one and the second it sounds as if there is no water flow and she throws dry and shows bleed. pump new, tested other brewer and replaced suport valve. strangely enough the mistake was only there after replacing the suport valve, the old one had dripped and there was always the water under the machine. i screwed in the old one again but the new one is still there. thanks for the replies

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I'd check all the waterways to make sure they don't draw any air. Flowmeter times disassemble and see that it is clean.
It's a weird mistake. Bleeding occurs when the pulses of the flowmeter are too slow.