Solac Espression Supremma

Can any of you give us more details about the new Solac coffee maker with touch screen display?

The brewing group will be supplied with 6000 cups up to 5 years warranty without maintenance. In the case of free maintenance in the 5th year, the warranty is extended to 10 years. The manufacturer allegedly produces brewing groups for professional coffee machines and is Italinesch.

18 bar brewing pressure, 3mm thick and stable crema is indicated by the brewing group, - technique.
stainless steel boiler, ceramic painting steplessly adjustable from the outside, signal tones, etc.

I downloaded the manual for this purpose. This does not result in a setting of the coffee temperature and switching of the heating for the cup tray. So, one all the time? There is no mention of temporary re-greasing of the brewing group of the seals or guided tours.

The manufacturer of the brewing group is Bianchi.

The price: Approx. 649,- €.

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Gruß, Saeconutzer
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I don't know if I can set the picture here because I copied it from the Solac page.

Otherwise I ask for clarification and removal by the administrator.

Thank you.

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Gruß, Saeconutzer
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Here the equipment details of the machine in single



ESPRESSION SUPREMMA Mod CA4815

* Professional brewing group.
* Coffee Essence System: Pre-brewing system.
* Touch Control System: Clear LCD display for extremely easy operation and display of the selected functions or The following steps are available.
* 18-bar pump pressure.
* Temperature control.
* Ceramic grinder
* Programming: Setting the water quantity per cup, automatic switch-off, water hardness, display contrast, signal tones.
* Automatic descaling.
* Grinding degree adjustment.
* Also for ground coffee.
* Coffee quantity adjustment.
* Stainless steel steam nozzle for frothing milk or heating liquids.
* Hot water outlet for tea preparation.
* Twin coffee system.
* Regular automatic cleaning of the pipes.
* Stainless steel boiler.
* Heated cup storage area.
* Height-adjustable coffee spout.
* Sugar container.
* Detachable drip tray.
* Easily removable water tank.
* Cup counter.

according to the operating instructions and my request in the Gaggia service centre, the coffee temperature is NOT adjustable by the user!!!!


A real k.o. Criterion. Because the tastes and sensations are very different and all settings need an individual adjustment.

The coffee strength is adjustable in two steps.
The amount of water related to Expresso and coffee can be programmed in 25ml steps (not stepless).

Recommendation of the lady: I personally brew myself a cup of ground coffee without coffee in the drawer beforehand. Then the next coffee is nice and hot.

Would also like to know more about it.

I have a few questions about this machine:

1. How high may a cup be?
In different reviews I found 8cm or 10cm

2. Collecting tray for water and pomace separated? So 2 bowls or only one for cleaning water and coffee residues?

Someone has claimed that water and pomace collect in a container.
I can't imagine


3. What are the external dimensions of the machine?


4. Is the special milk frother (with hose) always included? CAPPUCCINADOR





Of the technical values this is a super VA. The ratings at ciao, amazon or idealo also sound good. Even if they contradict each other a little. Many also write a lot of nonsense.



Infos can be found at:

http://www.solac.com
http://www.solaccoffee.com
http://www.espressionsolac.com/



I'm just wavering between solac 4815 or nivona 725
would like to see/test solac.

Since the coffee strength is only adjustable in 2 steps, the VA would not be for me. Coffee is not the same as coffee and depending on the taste it is very helpful to be able to determine the strength in finer gradations.
And as already described elsewhere, the Solac has no more to offer from the technical side like all other manufacturers.
Then the Nivona is more the case, there is well-known Eugster technology in it, which is e.g. in Jura machines, or identical siemens machines (older models).

But to partially answer your questions about the Solac (after the look in the downloadable instruction manual and technical data):

1. here Solac really is silent. My experience tells me however that it must be 10cm, I know no household VA, with which the outlet is lower than 10cm.

2. In the device there is only a collecting tray for the marc, residual water from the brewing group is led into the drip tray.

3. Dimensions: (LxWxH) 27,1x40,3x38,2

4. A cappuccinatore is not included (see list in the BDA)


What I noticed while reading the BDA: Maximum filling quantity for one cup is 150ml, that's 30ml less than with the DeLonghi-VA, which also "only" outputs 180ml.
The 10 year brew group warranty is only available if you have the appliance serviced for a fee in the 5th year --> a big CO criterion, the customer is misled. You can buy a Saeco right away, there is also a 5 year guarantee on the BG.
The removal of the BG and the reuse for cleaning is very complicated, many individual steps are necessary. This is easier and faster with other manufacturers.
What I noticed is that the upper brewing piston is very thin. This means that only an insufficient wetting of the powder with water is possible, which leads to a worse aroma development.

My scepticism about this device is getting bigger and bigger after I have looked through the available documents. The promise of a 10-year warranty on the BG is parasitic if the customer has to perform a chargeable service in the 5th year to get another 5 years warranty.

Greß
Gregor

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ST-Werdegang: Gaggia Evolution mit Demoka M-203 10.2007-01.2009 >>> Arte di Poccino Bar (ST+Mühle) seit 01.2009 >>> 03.2009 La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II + Eureka MCI/T

Well - with Jura you should do that yearly - that's why I don't find it so bad!?

The BG would interest me so much there - are there pictures - drawings ?
(I've been observing the machine for over a year now - but still don't have any experience reports ???)

greetings
Jürgen

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Quick th mill

many pictures of the BG can be found in the BDA, which can be downloaded from www.espressionsolac.com/ . I don't find them intoxicating, reminiscent a little of the BGs of older Saecos.

That cleaning BG is even more difficult in law is clear, but take a look at the many individual steps that are necessary to really fram out the BG advertised as "removable" and to fram in again. That the better and simpler goes prove the other manufacturers.
And one is with Jura notrt yearly forced the BG liable to pay the costs to wait to let. I have a problem with the fact that 10 years warranty are advertised there, is concealed that there is only this if one lets min. 1x chargeable wait. Jura abolished this a few years ago (famous 5000 message). For me this is just not a transparent advertisement, but as much advertising text as possible, in order to convince the customer something.

The Solac VAs is there already for 2,5 years on the market, but customers stay too at least here in D quite out. Alelrdings I haven't seen the VA either anywhere in a shop.

greetings
Gregor

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Guarantee:

"if the customer has to carry out a chargeable service in the 5th year"

That's not true at all.
Where does it stand that checking through after 5 years costs what? All you have to do is send them in.
Of course they may find something then.

Nivona writes e.g. in the guarantee conditions that the guarantee expires if you have more than 3000 covers per year.
That is also not great.


>Amount of coffee:

Solac 4815:
Espresso goes from 30-60ml
Amount of coffee from 60-150ml

Nivona 725:
Espresso 20-70ml
Coffee 80-130ml

When I press 2 cups of Solac and put only one under it, I have 300ml
That should be enough.

The Nivona is even "worse" when it comes to the quantity of coffee.

But otherwise the machine also seems Spanish to me.
The pictures in the manual look cheap. Whereby all manufacturers use a lot of plastic.

The Cappuccinatore is present in many shops. But apparently not always. A lot of people offer it to me. And that still for less than 600,-€. The Nivona costs 799,- and does not have such a great guarantee. no ceramic grinder, ...

However, the Solac is somehow less trusted than the Nivona. I feel the same way.

I would like to see the Solac. Only where?



As before I momentarily fluctuate between Nivona 725 or Solac 4815.

>Experience reports are available by the way on the net


greeting andi nagl

Here the experiences in the net:

http://www.ciao.de/Solac_CA_4815_100855_Es...a__Test_8339395

http://www.ciao.de/Solac_CA_4815_100855_Es...a__Test_8385399

http://www.amazon.de/review/product/B000R5...howViewpoints=1

http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/Meinungen/719910.html

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Actually quite positive.
one writes from cup height 8cm one of 10cm

The Nivona has 11cm.

On the subject of chargeable service:
Ok, I leaned too far out of the window. I had assumed that this is liable to pay the costs, because it was at that time with the Juras (500er-Meldung) like that, later however was abolished.
After the study of the FAQs on www.espressionsolac.com/ is confirmed that after 5 years a free maintenance service is accomplished. However, it does not say whether any repairs or required spare parts are subject to a charge.

The limitation of Nivona to 3000 cups per year, or 6000 cups in the warranty period is not really bad. The Novonas of the 700 series are identical in construction to the older Siemens models of the S series and come from Eugster, where Jura also has the VAs built. For this reason the same technique works in all of them, only the brewing groups differ slightly (the BGs of the Juras are not removable). Conclusion: Long proven technology, which also creates more than 3000 covers/year without a defect.

If you want to fill a cup with a double cover, you get 480ml with the Nivona (the adjustable amount of 240ml doubles with the 2-cup cover). Source for the 240ml is the BDA of the Novona 725.

As far as the ceramic grinder is concerned: Don't let it dazzle you too much. Only the latest generations (introduced in 2008) of ceramic grinders use more durable materials. Older models often had problems when there was a stone in the grinder, ceramics are harder, but at the same time more brittle, which means that the grinder is quickly damaged by an impact load caused by a stone between the beans.
I'm a friend of steel mills. And as far as durability is concerned, I haven't noticed any negative characteristics yet.

Haven't you had a look at the older models from Saeco? Explicitly the Saeco Royal Professional? With the asking price you mentioned I would reach for it without thinking, price is between 650-700€:

- actively heated cup storage area (the indirectly heated ones bring almost nothing)
- rotatable on 3 rollers, very good for cleaning and maintenance
- removable brewing group
- large storage and waste containers
- steam nozzle AND cappuccinatore at the same time on the device
- very long proven technology, even with Saeco gastronomy approval (high throughputs)
- 5 years Garnatie on the brewing group, without cup restriction
- 3 cup sizes can be stored

Greetings
Gregor

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VA-Werdegang: Jura E75 06.2006-10.2006 >>> Jura S9 Avantgarde 10.2006-07.2007 >>> 08.2007-04.2008: DeLonghi PrimaDonna
ST-Werdegang: Gaggia Evolution mit Demoka M-203 10.2007-01.2009 >>> Arte di Poccino Bar (ST+Mühle) seit 01.2009 >>> 03.2009 La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II + Eureka MCI/T

At Solac the hair is searched in soup and even a 10 year guarantee is criticized, at others a reference of maximum 3000/year is classified as good and said, "that fits scho".
sounds somehow very subjective.
Sorry, but I look for objective decision aids, speculations are not very helpful.

A quantity of 480ml does not refer to espresso or coffee. That can't be compared that easily. If I include the milk, the Solac can also do more.

The Saeco Royal Professional drops out for several reasons.
-ugly (subjectively)
-poor experiences of some with whom I have spoken. Many say Saeco is prone to repairing
-maximum cup height 9cm < br>-large < br> < br>I don't like the Solac. I would like to buy a VA and am looking for decision aids. And so far I have not encountered any real arguments or experiences for or against the Solac. Only on subjective refusal of this mark opposite.
What counts with other than psitives argument, is dismissed with other marks as unimportant or not necessary. And that without own experiences.

I'm not looking for the hair in the soup, I'm reporting experiences. For 3 years I have been working very intensively with the topic "fully automatic coffee machines", have owned 3 pieces myself (Jura and DeLonghi) and have seen several other makes already from the inside, because I repair the things myself.

My statements are not only based on subjective impressions, but mainly objective.

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A quantity of 480ml does not refer to espresso or coffee. That can't be compared that easily. If I include the milk, the Solac can also be more

>You have to tell me more about that. The adjustable water quantity, which can be adjusted with the rotary knob, ranges from 20ml to 240ml.
Citation from the BDA: "It can be adjusted with the water quantity rotary knob (fig. 1/D and 6)from left to right in 10ml steps from 20 ML to 240 ML." (page 10 --> http://www.nivona.de/upload/BAL_CafeRomati...ine2008_413.pdf )

>The information under it "20 ML to 70 ML for Espresso 80 ML to 130 ML for Café Creme 140 ML to 240 ML for Milk Coffee, Cappuccino" are to be understood as "recipe".
If you include the milk: Both devices deliver so much foam until the milk container is empty, there are no limits, as you have to start the foam cover yourself.


I can only confirm the statements that Saecos are susceptible to repair for the new models. The Royal Series has been on the market for many years and has always enjoyed great popularity and reliability.

Also, I have the feeling that you have now shot yourself into the Solac and do not want to take any further advice. Then all I can say is buy it and test it yourself. You won't find more experience reports in the relevant coffee forums on the Internet, since hardly anyone owns a Solac.


Greß
Gregor

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I'm happy to take advice. But you get the feeling that double standards are applied. Or you can judge from your gut.
Also, assertions are often made without any experience of your own.
I don't mean you by that, but in general.
When you read the reviews in ciao, idealo, amazon and co, a lot of things are often confused.

The Solac is a brand where the positive technical values are dismissed and the negative characteristics of other brands are often the same.

I find the guarantee of the Solac brewing group with 5/10 years quite positive and cannot understand your criticism of it. The general warranty is only 2 years. There is no criticism of the limitation of 3,000 payments. A lot of espresso drinkers can already achieve this in a year.

I find that with the amount of water relative, since the amount of coffee powder varies even between a small amount. With a lot of water you have a thin broth, the sense of which is not clear to me.
For normal coffee drinkers maybe interesting. If a VA does not offer this setting, however, it is a legitimate criticism of your VA.
Nivona can adjust the water quantity from 20-240ml in steps of 10.
That is certainly a plus for Nivona compared to Solac with 30-150ml

The coffee quantity with Nivona is 7, 9 and 11 grams so 3 levels.
The Solac has only 2 levels.

Maybe one should make a table/comparison.
I am also critical of the Solac anyway. Because there is so little experience. And you hardly get the right information.


Up to now I tend towards the Nivona 725, because a friend of mine is more than satisfied with the 620. (also subjective!)

I will have a look at the Krups, they have nice dimensions. Unfortunately we had a lot of bad experiences with the Krups here. That'll scare you off.

The technical values for all VAs are pure marketing, whether Solac or Nivona or others. Whether 15bar or 19bar is irrelevant, both are exaggerated, because no VA reaches these values. In the brewing groups there is a maximum pressure of 8-9bar and that is a lot. Only the VAs from Quickmill can do more, but they generally have a much more stable construction (metal brewing group etc.).
From a technical point of view, many VAs make a good impression. What I wanted to convey: All VA manufacturers outdo each other with technical data, it makes little sense in practice.

As far as the 10-year warranty is concerned: I didn't want to do it badly, it's great. What I just wanted to convey is that e.g. the Nivonas don't have to be worse, "only" because the manufacturer makes a limit of 3000 purchases. At DeLonghi, for example, the limit for the entire 3-year warranty is 5000 covers, but 95% of the brew groups have lasted much longer and some have over 10,000 covers without defects. It is clear, of course, that such limits always make people suspicious, so I wanted to explain with practical experience that these limits do not automatically mean that the brewing group breaks down after 3000 or 5000 purchases.
The general guarantee conditions are also important: there are manufacturers who give a 2-year guarantee, but not on wearing parts such as the brewing group seals. And this is usually what most likely breaks a BG, rarely break or tear the other components of a brewing group.

In general, the VA market is very unmanageable and there are no devices that are complete free of defects. Based on my own experiences, if I were to be faced with the choice again, I would first and foremost opt for a DeLonghi (price-performance) again, and then a Saeco of older design (reliable) would come second.
If money doesn't matter, I wouldn't think long about a WMF or Schaerer/Solis.
But since I am personally sworn away from the VA because of my grown passion for espresso, I'm no longer faced with this decision. Nevertheless I'm still working on this topic, because VAs are technically quite interesting and you can tinker with them very well.

Greß
Gregor

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ST-Werdegang: Gaggia Evolution mit Demoka M-203 10.2007-01.2009 >>> Arte di Poccino Bar (ST+Mühle) seit 01.2009 >>> 03.2009 La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II + Eureka MCI/T