Nivona???

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Hi Gregor,
yes,unfortunately that's always the problem. But unfortunately only very few people know that this is the way it should be.
So quickly conjure up a delicious cappuccino in your cup.
Bye soon.

It's just like with the beans

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Hello everyone!

>I want to buy a Nivona 740. Unfortunately it does not say in the brochure how much bar contact pressure it works. They all have the normal 15 bar pump pressure. I'm interested in that because someone told me that the contact pressure is also decisive for the coffee taste. Somebody help me out here. In general, someone has already gained experience with the new 740?

I have been allowed to call the Nivona CafeRomantica 740 my own for 6 weeks.
It is my first VA, so I had to experiment with the first two cups.
Since the third cups I can say a very good investment a great machine.
With excellent coffee, great milk foam....

Hello together,

we have had a Nivona 620 with milk frother for about eight weeks. The coffee is wonderful and hot enough. Unfortunately, the milk frother is not the "yellow of the egg". In contrast to our previous Saeco, the foam is almost cold, the milk reaches a maximum of 35 degrees. However, the producer claims that this is normal and correct. And he said the milk shouldn't be too cold. Then I wonder why a milk cooler is supplied!

What are your experiences with the temperature of the milk/ milk foam?

The manufacturer is right, with the Auto Cappuccinatore used by Nivona, the milk cannot get hotter because it only comes into very short contact with the steam. Saeo's system is a whole different one, where this contact time is longer. It gets even hotter, but only if you foam up manually and only up to about 65-70°C, because then the foam is overheated, the protein in the milk separates and the foam collapses again.

Greß
Gregor

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Hello!

Since one day I am proud owner of a Nivona 740.
It is my first fully automatic coffee maker and I am very satisfied with the handling and especially with the quality of the coffee.

As a long-time owner of an ECM espresso machine I know what I am talking about...
Their coffee taste is not quite reached, certain circumstances just take their toll...

The smears are in the green range, but the comfort is in the foreground.
Will report again if the Nivona has worked for a while.


Solong!
Thomas

Hello each other,
I just read this thread and the manual of the CafeRomatica 720 with interest. Now I've noticed the following. In the specialized trade one told me that this machine has two heating systems. I asked about it because I miss it with my old Krups Orchestro. I am tired of switching on the steam system for milk foam (waiting) and then having to cool it down again (waiting again). Unfortunately, the general brochure is silent about it. But in the operating manual it says under 3.8/page 14 above:

As soon as the system is ready,
light up in the display alternately
the indications "READY FOR VAMPLE"
and "REVERSE VALVE".

Does this mean that I also have to wait for the steam on this machine and it is not always and immediately available, as for example on the WMF 1000 (I know this machine)? That would keep me away from Ivona a lot, even though I had already decided to do so. Can I get more details from the owners of this machine? Many thanks in advance.

Gruß
Laurelin

Hello,
I was looking for the Nivona 720 again this morning and even found a dealer and repair shop for coffee machines in the neighboring village. He could now confirm to me that the change from coffee to steam/milk foam takes some time, but only a little (felt?) 10-15s. I can live with that, especially because after foaming I can immediately get coffee again. So apparently everything much more comfortable than with my Krups. Unfortunately there was no machine left, otherwise I would have taken it with me. So I ordered the Romatica 725 (I like the design better, but it's otherwise the same machine) and hope it'll be here in the middle of next week. Then I am curious whether the advance laurels were justified. I'll then report.

Greeting
Laurelin

P.S.: Just registered myself for this interesting coffee gourmet forum.

After all Nivona users have suddenly disappeared I will raise the flag again briefly. Yeah, she's here, and she came a day earlier than expected. But tonight I just unpacked it and prepared it for the morning coffee. Still nothing with Espresso & Cappuccino.

My first impressions:
- it is clearly (!) quieter than the Orchestro
- the coffee is clearly (!) hotter than the Orchestro, although I have set the middle heat level.
- The drip tray is simpler in shape, i.e. fewer protruding parts than the Orchestro and therefore easier to clean
- the plain text display is easier to understand than the symbol keys
- the brewing group can be removed and cleaned. Saeco and DeLonghi owners will not find this particularly interesting. Krups and Jura owners already.
- maybe not buying decision, but "nice to have" is the timer when the machine turns on. Unfortunately this is not adjustable separately for weekdays.
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And JAAA, (the most important!) the coffee tastes good and has a nice crema. Whereby of course always to consider is which coffee one uses. The best machine can't do anything about that. In this respect, I was a little unfair today and tried a new coffee with the new machine, which could possibly become the new standard coffee. (mixture 60/40 Arabica/Robusta). With the Robusta, the crema should also become a little better. So twice unfair. Anyway, my coffee so far only smells and tastes sour. I guess we have to finally take the trouble and try different coffees for everyday use.

But back to the machine. I won't be able to test the Spumatore for the next few days. In any case, water and steam come out of the nozzle evenly. It wasn't so nice at the Orchestro. Steam is not available quite as quickly as hoped for. This takes about 20s, but after the steam is taken, you can immediately get coffee again without having to steam off. What I don't like is the lid on the espresso flour. If this is opened, the machine thinks you absolutely want to have espresso. In other words, the next time you press the button, the flour in the shaft will be used. I don't really like such automatisms, but this is certainly a matter of habit and opinion. Where I see problems is the recognition that the drip tray is missing. At the end of the shell are two metal contacts. I think sooner or later there'll be contact issues here.

Of course you can't say anything about the reliability yet, but I found it reassuring that I finally have a workshop on site again (my old one no longer exists). Of course I asked myself and also the dealer/workshop what it looks like with spare parts at a relatively young company like Nivona, if it doesn't exist anymore tomorrow. The information was that there are relatively few different components inside these (and many other) machines, which are also produced by a few manufacturers. In other words, it doesn't matter if it's on the outside or on the outside. Many components are the same here as there. So the supply of spare parts is relatively safe. (OK, what's for sure?)

Who wants to buy a VA: the Nivona is worth at least one consideration.

Greß
Laurelin

So real interest doesnŽt seem to exist at the machine here. Nevertheless I add my last impressions; then I'm not annoying anymore.

I tried the Spumatore and was disappointed at first, because actually only lukewarm milk came out and no milk foam. This was the opportunity to disassemble the part; you have to clean it anyway. Since Nivona only sells through specialist dealers and the saleswoman showed me my machine and explained it to me, I knew immediately why. The whole spumatore is made of rubber and a small intake hole for the air, which could otherwise clog milk, was not completely open. Once punctured with a pin and everything's fine. And I must say ... sip, lick ... now a wonderful constant milk foam comes out, as it could never have been made with the foaming aid of the Orchestro. Today I made my first cappuccino with the Nivona; very tasty. And, compared to the Orchestro, much easier, cleaner and faster done.

Flues: At the moment I am very happy with the new machine and do not regret the purchase in any way.

Greeting
Laurelin

Find the Nivonas quite interesting and had the chance to try the 740 a few weeks ago. The espresso taste convinced me, the milk foam quality unfortunately did not convince me during this demonstration. Only after 3 cleaning cycles did the VA produce milk foam at all and the quality was moderate. Think it was an isolated case and really just a cleaning problem.

What did you experience regarding milk froth, espresso taste and temperature?

As I was on the phone with the NIVONA hotline yesterday, I'd like to give you a little information about the manufacturer's warranty conditions: 2 years or 6000 cups.

Much greetings and lots of fun with your Nivona

pott13

Hello Pott13,
as I wrote above, the milk froth was disappointing at first, but once pierced with a pin now comes constantly very nice milk froth from the machine. At the top and bottom of the spumatore there is a metal tube. The milk foam runs out at the bottom, the air is sucked in through the upper one. Pull off the upper tube and pull out the rubber plug. It has a small rubber nipple inside which can be removed. From time to time you should also clean it with water. Through the hole in the rubber stopper and through the nipple you carefully pierce with a thin pin. Then it works again.

On temperature. As already written the coffee is clearly hotter than with the Orchestro. This can be adjusted in three steps. I've left that at its default setting, medium level. So you could turn it up a little bit. The espresso taste is, as the name suggests, a matter of taste and of course depends strongly on the bean used and the degree of grinding. I have now found the right bean for my taste. The degree of grind depends on my roastery. Depending on your wishes they grind there finer or coarser.

In the two weeks since I have had the machine I have not noticed anything negative for my needs and am very satisfied with the Nivona.

Write how you decided.

Greß
Laurelin

Hello Laurelin,

Thank you for your info. We have now opted for the Siemens S 70 TK 69001, which is largely identical in construction, because it has been in production for a long time and hopefully - like the Nivona - is mature.

As especially the milk nozzle is the same, we can use your cleaning tips very well.

Had long flirted with the Nivona 725, because we have a freshly authorized Nivona repair shop nearby (Dortmund). Unfortunately it does not work with the usual flat rates, but with cost estimates and this can become (too) expensive.

Greetings from Pott13